Singhka1996. Shadowhunter. •. I'm also Shadowhunter main, I enjoy Taijutsu scrapper and Paladin (not the same playstyle, but closer than bard). I don't really enjoy my bard, db, and sharpshooter, but they are fine in comparison to the gunslinger and zerker that I deleted lol. As far as cheap, consensus is that SH, Scouter (which obv isnt out ... The animations are smooth, most can be dash canceled which makes it easy to dodge. The 60% shield from transformation (and the 50% shield from fiery escape) is VERY nice everywhere there is chip damage or dots. The general squishyness of the class makes him binary tho: you are either full life and shielded or dead.This may be interesting reading to you. It's only 17k votes but may give you a general idea of how KOREAN players feel about each class and what classes they prefer to group with. TL;DR: Most preferred DPS classes: Gunlancer, Wardancer, Glavier, Destroyer Least preferred DPS classes: Striker, Demonic, Arcana, Summoner Destroyer - Imagine putting all your eggs in one basket. Pro: great stats all around. Con: prone to missing important skills. Berserker - Auto-click simulator. Pro: best identity & 2nd best awakening. Con: long cooldowns & mana issue. Holy Knight - White bread of classes. Pro: can support while doing decent damage.GS is one of the most expensive classes. While it is fine to play it without max gear, the absolut top tier damage comes with having everything maxed. Other classes often need some very important tripods and are kinda fine then. Like DB, needs like 5. For Gunslinger, every single one will push the dmg. What is the most FUN class? Hey guys im curious what do you think is the most FUN class to play? I dont care about damage or how strong a class is this is purely about FUN. Please take the poll, and if you are curious too upvote it so more people see it. https://poll-maker.com/poll4201033x45164A5E-132Artillerist isn't really that ranged. I play close/mid. Very high stagger and destruction. Need good knowledge of mechanics due to attack delays. But I've played all the classes and I have the most fun playing the Artillerist. It is slow to level up and the class doesn't get fluid till t3. Lost Ark Sorceress has all the things I want to see when I create a mage for an MMO: way too sexy outfits and and way too impressive spells :) I went for Reflux because when I started to game pre lv50 I would always forget to use igniter during boss fights which is a completely dumb point but lmao this was the best decision of my Lost Ark life. First and foremost, it’s important to understand that the tier-list we’ve put together below is going to cover Lost Ark’s NA and EU regions that are set to launch on February 11, 2022 (or February 8 if you bought a Founder’s Pack). And of course, you shouldn’t forget that all classes and subclasses in Lost Ark are end-game viable.Add a Comment. 1 yr. ago. Actually there are 7 sharpshooters in top 100 right now in KR. Seems to me like Paladin is the worst as there is only 1 paladin in the top 100. They are the most annoying class to deal with. "You don't play games to win, you play games so you can make you're opponents rage quit". Sharpshooter can do that in PvP.1. Eoho • 1 yr. ago. So at least for gunlancer the class doesn't really feel fun till you get the actual abilities your class will use (level 30 and so on). The test a class function not really representative of many classes since it just gives you the base 8 abilities you get after going through the prologue.In pvp. Summoner is the most brain dead dps dealer. This is a no brainer. Top1 choice. You will have a last reach platinum. I also heard blaster is easy to play as well since it only has one combo. You don't need to do much to have very high dmg output. summoner is the one would getting "taken care" of the most. Because you leave it alone, you ...As a Deadeye main (with a 1490 GS alt), I think it's one of the most fun classes in the game, the other being Gunslinger and I see why so many people would rather play Gunslinger. Gunslinger feels way more fluid, their skills look cooler, and the damage uptime is FAR easier on Gunslinger than Deadeye. Also, GS is very straightforward to play. Overview of Classes on Release I've included links to YouTube videos to give you a sense of what your class will play like with an end game build. Note that clear times do not equate to class strength. Gunlancer: The closest thing to a traditional tank in Lost Ark. Is naturally the tankiest of all the classes with the highest HP/Armor scaling. BigTroken • 1 yr. ago. Hi, the "best" classes are the most desired ones and can find any party they want: are supports (Paladin and Bard). Another desired class is Gunlancer because is a good dps, tanky af, and can shield+dispell debuff the party which is the most support oriented from dps classes.Reaper is the most fun class by far. Nothing even comes close. Being fastest but squishiest class provides most adrenaline. Also most stylish animations. And intense gameplay with constant repositioning, that's the best part.With that being said my top 3 picks for highest DPS when played properly are Barrage Artillerist, Igniter Sorc, and Empress Arcana. My personal pick being Arty due to the massive amount of push-immunity allowing you to greed entire rotations where most classes would have to reposition or dodge. 8.The reasons to play it are the highish apm, high mobility, high stagger, high destruction, two built in class dashes, and general tankiness. It also has one of the best "flows" out of all the classes I have played. Kind of hard to describe, but when I started playing it I instantly fell in love with how it felt.Each class in lost ark has two class engravings, or two different play styles/builds to chose from. Picking an assassin to play is essentially picking 1/6 not 1/3. I would recommend playing what you enjoy over what sounds like the most DPS since at the end of the day, whoever has the best gear will do the most damage.Short answer: Pick what you like. there is no useless or hated class in the game. Anything you pick you will be able to play any content the game offers. No one is going to reject you in a party just because of your class. Normally people are looking for lets say a Support in their group of 3 DPS! Hope you get the point! In kr, striker is pure dps that quite good damage. But striker needs some several things like runes, speicality, etc. Btw i think if you feel good at striker, it is good for you to pick striker. Striker have only 2 high damage jewels so you feel good and save your money. He will strong after relic tier and 33333.Honestly I already have like 3 classes on top of my head that I will potential choose from but non the less I always like to read a good discussion about tiers lists. If you guys could throw here your thoughts about the current state of each class on the different playmodes: Group PvP: Solo PvP: Solo PvE: Group PvE: If you want to open any ...So I'll go by class/specs tried in order: Instant cast Reflux Sorc - the most fun class in the game for me, you just pump dps with insane survivability thanks to multiple dashes and shield. 1st place on the fun ranking. Costly in terms of rune investment, atm needs Legendary Conviction/Judgement.View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Opinions on most fun and also "best" class to solo guardian raids? Hello all, I'd like to make an alt focused on trying to solo my way through all of the guardian raids as I proceed through the tiers.Sorc and shadow hunter were amazing feeling when I tried in the RU servers. Like the screen just blows up playing sorc. Blade was really fun going in and out of combat. Gunlancer was fun being able to just face tank with your shield up and still do good damage and have cool abilities. Paladin has a lot of cool looking aoes BigTroken • 1 yr. ago. Hi, the "best" classes are the most desired ones and can find any party they want: are supports (Paladin and Bard). Another desired class is Gunlancer because is a good dps, tanky af, and can shield+dispell debuff the party which is the most support oriented from dps classes. My favourite class is arcanist, but it's not really a good choice for a new player. Very investment heavy and takes quite a bit of practice to pilot it. Personally, I'd suggest picking a DPS class as your first for the story, getting to Punika and then boosting a support with the Punika pass. What class has been the most fun for you so far and why? For me iv been really enjoying the gameplay of Gunlancer, I normally don't play tanky characters but thought I'd give it a try, not dying while also being able to give teammates shields and doing decent damage is pretty fun, though I'm still only only at the beginning of T2 so I'm ... So I'll go by class/specs tried in order: Instant cast Reflux Sorc - the most fun class in the game for me, you just pump dps with insane survivability thanks to multiple dashes and shield. 1st place on the fun ranking. Costly in terms of rune investment, atm needs Legendary Conviction/Judgement.Lost Ark memes will be dps pallies and missed spirit bombs most likely, as other folks have already stated here. As someone who used to have a dragoon main (switched to scholar) and has over 100k mastery on yasuo, I will take one for the team and become new meme content since Reaper and Scout are late to the party (see flair for details).It's quick, it's fun and well balanced. I like the blue skills and the way she moves around the battlefield, literally sweeping enemies away like a true Martial Artist. Compared to my GS main, feels more stable, relaxed and less work. Can't wait to clear more content with her and get an even better grasp of this class :)The Space Bar is faster, the skill animations arent nearly as clunky. I'm still having fun playing the Arti, but you can definitely feel the difference, lol. I was gonna make a blade next. I got one, level 37 i think or something, but compared to my sorcerer, i don't know, feels less "fun". Blue gunlancer! So far, the endgame content I'm enjoying the most is Monster Hu- uh, I mean, Guardian raids. I'm really enjoying soloing them. One class that I'm already playing is Striker - I'm really enjoying it for group play and PvP, but I find it a little frustrating to use in solo due to lack of overall push immunities and over reliance on back attacksWith that being said my top 3 picks for highest DPS when played properly are Barrage Artillerist, Igniter Sorc, and Empress Arcana. My personal pick being Arty due to the massive amount of push-immunity allowing you to greed entire rotations where most classes would have to reposition or dodge. 8. First and foremost, it’s important to understand that the tier-list we’ve put together below is going to cover Lost Ark’s NA and EU regions that are set to launch on February 11, 2022 (or February 8 if you bought a Founder’s Pack). And of course, you shouldn’t forget that all classes and subclasses in Lost Ark are end-game viable.The Space Bar is faster, the skill animations arent nearly as clunky. I'm still having fun playing the Arti, but you can definitely feel the difference, lol. I was gonna make a blade next. I got one, level 37 i think or something, but compared to my sorcerer, i don't know, feels less "fun". Blue gunlancer! My favourite class is arcanist, but it's not really a good choice for a new player. Very investment heavy and takes quite a bit of practice to pilot it. Personally, I'd suggest picking a DPS class as your first for the story, getting to Punika and then boosting a support with the Punika pass. The class can stay at mid range and just dish out damage even if the guardian gets in your face you can just shield or use a ability with protection ruin or one of the build in shields in the damaging abilities. Just over all a really fun class, it’s like a male sorceress but doesn’t hit as hard and can actually take a few hits.Bard is more caster oriented and HK is more big man with big sword oriented with some glowy angel shit. One thing that many people notice though is the sound, specifically with the bard (in a bad way). 5. TheGaijin1987 • 2 yr. ago. as fun is 100% subjective, the only one to answer that question is yourself. 13.What class has been the most fun for you so far and why? For me iv been really enjoying the gameplay of Gunlancer, I normally don't play tanky characters but thought I'd give it a try, not dying while also being able to give teammates shields and doing decent damage is pretty fun, though I'm still only only at the beginning of T2 so I'm ...Most fun warrior class : r/lostarkgame. Out of paladin, berserker, and gunlancer who is the most fun in your opinion. 0. 14 comments. Best. Add a Comment. that is a toughie. Depends on what you find the most fun. Paladin has some pretty good magical explosions with a mix of light and dark magic filling the screen.As a Deadeye main (with a 1490 GS alt), I think it's one of the most fun classes in the game, the other being Gunslinger and I see why so many people would rather play Gunslinger. Gunslinger feels way more fluid, their skills look cooler, and the damage uptime is FAR easier on Gunslinger than Deadeye. Also, GS is very straightforward to play. Gunslinger can be another good choice, though you're squishy, you have plenty of mobility, and your range on snipe can help you get uptime on mechanics. Warlord/Gunlancer is easily the best solo class. I think this is a somewhat risky answer. There are a lot of disclaimers to make. The Space Bar is faster, the skill animations arent nearly as clunky. I'm still having fun playing the Arti, but you can definitely feel the difference, lol. I was gonna make a blade next. I got one, level 37 i think or something, but compared to my sorcerer, i don't know, feels less "fun". Blue gunlancer! what is in your opinion the most responsive class? i play a gunslinger, which feels pretty clunky from time to time with the weapon switching. i also play a gunlancer which i really like but is slow af. now i want to try a class which feels really responsive, fast, little downtimes, not many charging skills etc. i think you get the picture The class can stay at mid range and just dish out damage even if the guardian gets in your face you can just shield or use a ability with protection ruin or one of the build in shields in the damaging abilities. Just over all a really fun class, it’s like a male sorceress but doesn’t hit as hard and can actually take a few hits.Add a Comment. 1 yr. ago. Actually there are 7 sharpshooters in top 100 right now in KR. Seems to me like Paladin is the worst as there is only 1 paladin in the top 100. They are the most annoying class to deal with. "You don't play games to win, you play games so you can make you're opponents rage quit". Sharpshooter can do that in PvP. So I'll go by class/specs tried in order: Instant cast Reflux Sorc - the most fun class in the game for me, you just pump dps with insane survivability thanks to multiple dashes and shield. 1st place on the fun ranking. Costly in terms of rune investment, atm needs Legendary Conviction/Judgement.Gunslinger PM, Shock Scrapper, Eso Wardancer (4SP) Surge deathblade. EO soulfist. PM gs. So far these are my top 3 and I don't think anything is going to dethrone my db and sf for top 2. Going to try out drizzle aeromancer and full moon soul eater, both spec builds, once they release in the west. Gunslinger.For story, start with a dps class. It's still doable with a support but it goes through much faster if you have a dps that has large aoes or that has higher movement speed/skills. You can easily switch to a more preferred class once you reach North vern, where you unlock knowledge transfer. Knowledge transfer allows you to skip the story to ...Reaper is the most fun class by far. Nothing even comes close. Being fastest but squishiest class provides most adrenaline. Also most stylish animations. And intense gameplay with constant repositioning, that's the best part.GS is one of the most expensive classes. While it is fine to play it without max gear, the absolut top tier damage comes with having everything maxed. Other classes often need some very important tripods and are kinda fine then. Like DB, needs like 5. For Gunslinger, every single one will push the dmg. I would say Blue Gunlancer, very fun - has a good build for chaos. Immortal in most content minus raid wipe mechs. Some people don't like backward dash, so you have to remember that too. I also love Scrapper (i play Shock), imho more fun than Glavier. Cheapest to gear would be probably Demonhunter.Good classes and moderately preferred : Berserker, Dead Eye, Sharpshooter. Too Popular for parties : Lancer, Gun Lancer, Gunslinger, Scouter. Not hugely popular for parties but popular among players : Arcana, Soul Fist, Striker. REMEMBER : The best class for you is the one you enjoy. Compare it to to other games, Lost Ark's character balance is ... Gunslinger can be another good choice, though you're squishy, you have plenty of mobility, and your range on snipe can help you get uptime on mechanics. Warlord/Gunlancer is easily the best solo class. I think this is a somewhat risky answer. There are a lot of disclaimers to make. Tai scrapper, Mayhem zerker, scouter, reflux sorc, but for me it's the DI Shadowhunter by far in terms of ease, price and fun. Super strong class early/mid t3 but starts falling off after that. 4. Hatchid. Berserker. • 22 days ago. Wouldn't say mayhem is easy. Crimenfo. Reaper. • 2 yr. ago. If by flashy you mean visual effects, then most flashy class in soulfist, by far. DBZ inspired class after all. So try to level it up to 50, nothing is flashier in this game. If by flashy you mean fast, agile class that has to do flashy moves and outplays, that's reaper, but reaper isn't released on AGS servers yet.As someone who has a lot of characters and does friends' raids for them and have played most classes. Peace maker gunslinger is the most fun for me since it gives a lot of options for different situations, and learning skill rotations for each situation is hard to master but fun to play. FlowerpotxD • 5 mo. ago. BigTroken • 1 yr. ago. Hi, the "best" classes are the most desired ones and can find any party they want: are supports (Paladin and Bard). Another desired class is Gunlancer because is a good dps, tanky af, and can shield+dispell debuff the party which is the most support oriented from dps classes.This may be interesting reading to you. It's only 17k votes but may give you a general idea of how KOREAN players feel about each class and what classes they prefer to group with. TL;DR: Most preferred DPS classes: Gunlancer, Wardancer, Glavier, Destroyer Least preferred DPS classes: Striker, Demonic, Arcana, SummonerShort answer: Pick what you like. there is no useless or hated class in the game. Anything you pick you will be able to play any content the game offers. No one is going to reject you in a party just because of your class. Normally people are looking for lets say a Support in their group of 3 DPS! Hope you get the point! Probably gunslinger. Seems super fun and engaging, and has a skill ceiling high enough that you can sink time into and constantly get better. I never really played dps in most MMOs since I like being invited to parties. As far as I can tell, that’s less of an issue here since there is no real holy trinity. What class has been the most fun for you so far and why? For me iv been really enjoying the gameplay of Gunlancer, I normally don't play tanky characters but thought I'd give it a try, not dying while also being able to give teammates shields and doing decent damage is pretty fun, though I'm still only only at the beginning of T2 so I'm ... in general, classes that are more mobile (with skills that increase mobility) will be able to clear the main story and level up the fastest. •. Nope classes that have high mobility can save tons of time in the game if I travel 80% faster then you in a game that requires a lot of travel I'm going to beat your ass in a race everytime. Obviously ...We are the 1%. level 1. · 9 mo. ago. So the most popular class is the lowest tier one in terms of raid damage...:) Fun fact, people will reroll so damn fast. :D. level 2. · 9 mo. ago. id assume most people dont really care about pve including myself.Gunslinger can be another good choice, though you're squishy, you have plenty of mobility, and your range on snipe can help you get uptime on mechanics. Warlord/Gunlancer is easily the best solo class. I think this is a somewhat risky answer. There are a lot of disclaimers to make.With that being said my top 3 picks for highest DPS when played properly are Barrage Artillerist, Igniter Sorc, and Empress Arcana. My personal pick being Arty due to the massive amount of push-immunity allowing you to greed entire rotations where most classes would have to reposition or dodge. 8.tarkoed. It is the opposite. Braindead class, and as you say just stand there and, nothing do nothing.. 90% of warlords (dunno why they fuck they call em gunlancers now) actually believe they are tanks, doesnt know a single mechanic for anything, they lack in all aspects. Fun class tho as any other in the game.Good classes and moderately preferred : Berserker, Dead Eye, Sharpshooter. Too Popular for parties : Lancer, Gun Lancer, Gunslinger, Scouter. Not hugely popular for parties but popular among players : Arcana, Soul Fist, Striker. REMEMBER : The best class for you is the one you enjoy. Compare it to to other games, Lost Ark's character balance is ...The Paladin class is basically a mix between a traditional fighter class and a mage class. In one hand, you have a trusty short sword that can be used for hacking away at enemies, and in its ...This may be interesting reading to you. It's only 17k votes but may give you a general idea of how KOREAN players feel about each class and what classes they prefer to group with. TL;DR: Most preferred DPS classes: Gunlancer, Wardancer, Glavier, Destroyer Least preferred DPS classes: Striker, Demonic, Arcana, Summoner Destroyer - Imagine putting all your eggs in one basket. Pro: great stats all around. Con: prone to missing important skills. Berserker - Auto-click simulator. Pro: best identity & 2nd best awakening. Con: long cooldowns & mana issue. Holy Knight - White bread of classes. Pro: can support while doing decent damage. fact is lost ark has the best combat system of all MMOs. end of story. playing WoW or FF14 after playing lost ark for a while is basically impossible cos you die of boredom. but to each their own. seems like you are having some mental issues tho if you stick around a sub for something you hate just to try and make others miserable.In kr, striker is pure dps that quite good damage. But striker needs some several things like runes, speicality, etc. Btw i think if you feel good at striker, it is good for you to pick striker. Striker have only 2 high damage jewels so you feel good and save your money. He will strong after relic tier and 33333.Artillerist isn't really that ranged. I play close/mid. Very high stagger and destruction. Need good knowledge of mechanics due to attack delays. But I've played all the classes and I have the most fun playing the Artillerist. It is slow to level up and the class doesn't get fluid till t3. Destroyer - Imagine putting all your eggs in one basket. Pro: great stats all around. Con: prone to missing important skills. Berserker - Auto-click simulator. Pro: best identity & 2nd best awakening. Con: long cooldowns & mana issue. Holy Knight - White bread of classes. Pro: can support while doing decent damage. Lost Ark Sorceress has all the things I want to see when I create a mage for an MMO: way too sexy outfits and and way too impressive spells :) I went for Reflux because when I started to game pre lv50 I would always forget to use igniter during boss fights which is a completely dumb point but lmao this was the best decision of my Lost Ark life.It was an OP class where both dealers and supporters were possible, but it was nerfed 4 times in a row. Despite this, it is still very popular in endgame. Lost Ark's endgame is full of death. Therefore, the Gunlancer with the highest survivability (defense + stamina) is a very popular class in the party.Overview of Classes on Release I've included links to YouTube videos to give you a sense of what your class will play like with an end game build. Note that clear times do not equate to class strength. Gunlancer: The closest thing to a traditional tank in Lost Ark. Is naturally the tankiest of all the classes with the highest HP/Armor scaling. What class has been the most fun for you so far and why? For me iv been really enjoying the gameplay of Gunlancer, I normally don't play tanky characters but thought I'd give it a try, not dying while also being able to give teammates shields and doing decent damage is pretty fun, though I'm still only only at the beginning of T2 so I'm ...
View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit summoner, arcana, scouter, artist - which class is the best/most fun pvp and pve wise? As per topic: summoner, arcana, scouter, artist - which class is the best/most fun pvp and pve wise?. Anne pornolari
what is in your opinion the most responsive class? i play a gunslinger, which feels pretty clunky from time to time with the weapon switching. i also play a gunlancer which i really like but is slow af. now i want to try a class which feels really responsive, fast, little downtimes, not many charging skills etc. i think you get the pictureThe class can stay at mid range and just dish out damage even if the guardian gets in your face you can just shield or use a ability with protection ruin or one of the build in shields in the damaging abilities. Just over all a really fun class, it’s like a male sorceress but doesn’t hit as hard and can actually take a few hits.Deathblade, shadow hunter, berserker, sorc are really fun to level, because they don't require you to think at all during the leveling phase, it's just a straight playstyle with eye-candy skills. Nice, that sounds right up my alley. Sorc looks super fun but I worry the experience may be too similar to artillerist. For me, Destroyer and Eso striker, and planning on making EO soulfist or gunlancer to see who I enjoy the most. Related Topics Lost Ark MMORPG Hack and slash Role-playing video game MMO Action game GamingLuckyDony •. Striker and wardancer are classes that require huge amount of stats with wealth runes, cooldown gems, lot of tripods for more elemental generation and specialisation etc. I'm a striker 1080 and I can finally start doing combo without being out of cooldown and making it feel very active. Don't give up !Don’t consider yourself a nolifer. Lost ark doesn’t really have a way to test class in the mid tier 3 content. The class testing is bad and the one in the training area too. I used up all 9 of my KT and I’m still trying to find my “perfect” roster. Idc about class popularity I want to have fun while playing my classes.Get 10 points into charged shot to make it instant cast as fast as you can. Makes everything easier until you can start getting other moves up to 10 etc. one-shot most mobs up until mid 40s and by then you’ll have 3+ moves at lvl 10. 2. Source: Amazon Games (Image credit: Source: Amazon Games). We'll get into the details of each Lost Ark class in the sections below, but these class tier lists will give you a quick-and-dirty look ...The reasons to play it are the highish apm, high mobility, high stagger, high destruction, two built in class dashes, and general tankiness. It also has one of the best "flows" out of all the classes I have played. Kind of hard to describe, but when I started playing it I instantly fell in love with how it felt. View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Opinions on most fun and also "best" class to solo guardian raids? Hello all, I'd like to make an alt focused on trying to solo my way through all of the guardian raids as I proceed through the tiers.Sorc and shadow hunter were amazing feeling when I tried in the RU servers. Like the screen just blows up playing sorc. Blade was really fun going in and out of combat. Gunlancer was fun being able to just face tank with your shield up and still do good damage and have cool abilities. Paladin has a lot of cool looking aoes What is the most FUN class? Hey guys im curious what do you think is the most FUN class to play? I dont care about damage or how strong a class is this is purely about FUN. Please take the poll, and if you are curious too upvote it so more people see it. https://poll-maker.com/poll4201033x45164A5E-132For me, Destroyer and Eso striker, and planning on making EO soulfist or gunlancer to see who I enjoy the most. Related Topics Lost Ark MMORPG Hack and slash Role-playing video game MMO Action game GamingEach class in lost ark has two class engravings, or two different play styles/builds to chose from. Picking an assassin to play is essentially picking 1/6 not 1/3. I would recommend playing what you enjoy over what sounds like the most DPS since at the end of the day, whoever has the best gear will do the most damage.Which class is more fun to play as one of the six main characters? My current roster is RE DB, mayhem zerk, reflux sorcerer, DI SH and a support paladin. Although I have been enjoy playing my braindead crew so far, I would like to add something a bit more challenging also future proof. Which one would you say is most fun for you, in term of ...For story, start with a dps class. It's still doable with a support but it goes through much faster if you have a dps that has large aoes or that has higher movement speed/skills. You can easily switch to a more preferred class once you reach North vern, where you unlock knowledge transfer. Knowledge transfer allows you to skip the story to ....
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